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of them who signed the pledge they want to slink government. i listen to c-span. they're so upset about ben gauzey, which they should be upset about, they don't take into account that the state department has a shoestring budget. people are very upset about the compounding, but the f.d.a. operates on a shoestring budget because they have been shrinking government. host: so anne, do you see room for cut? caller: yes, i see room for budget cuts in the defense department. i'm a senior citizen facing retirement, and i really do believe in some means testing for social security. it's an insurance program. and there are people, you're just like with your health insurance, if you're really lucky and you've done the right things, and you're really healthy, you're not complaining that you've paid for health insurance. and then the people who need it, there's money for them. so it's the same thing. there are many people who have benefited greatly, sometimes from unfairnesses that rich people have bought for themselves and our country. but your people have benefited, and so you know why should the
the tax burden that americans are paying to the federal government. given that, do you support the proposal put forward by john boehner? >> well, because the proposal is significantly amorphous, you could get those revenues through economic growth and we don't really have things nailed down, i don't want to talk about a hypothetical, but there is a danger that when you put revenues on the table, even revenues through economic growth, if you grew at 4% a year, reagan levels, instead of 2%, french levels or obama levels, you would net $5 trillion in additional revenue to the government, you could pay down all of obama's additional debt by higher levels of growth, not raising taxes. so there's a lot of money to be gotten from growth. how they do this, we have to see it written down, but because the obama administration and spokesmen have been so emphatic about all taxes and no spending restraint, all taxes and actually spend -- another stimulus, another solyndra stimulus program -- >> i don't think they've mentioned solyndra, grover, but i'm sure they appreciate your mentioning of
governance, we would blanch. for instance, if egypt says you can only be elected president of egypt with 60% of the vote or if we said here in the united states, you can only be elected president with 60% of the vote, imagine the absolute chaos that would throw american democratic processes into. as the man who wrote the book literally, defending the filibuster, make the case why we should have this institution at all. >> first off, will et me observe that we do elect presidents with less than 50% majority, even presidents who didn't get the most votes. the filibuster isn't the only odd role we have. >> i agree. i'm going after them one by one. >> the long history of the senate more than 200 years filibuster has been around for a good deal of that. the role that the senate has played historically in our system is it's the last place where minority rights are protected. and the twin pillars, the foundation of what makes the senate a unique body is unlimited debate and unfeterred amendment. in the house of representatives, debate is limited, often debates are not permitted at all. in the sena
welker, thank you. >> thanks. good to see you, chris. >>> now from the third branch of government. we're covering the entire government today. we'll find out if the supreme court will weigh in on a pair of hi high-profile cases that would help define the rights and benefits of same-sex couples. pete williams is the justice correspondent. he joins me from outside the supreme court. good morning, pete. >> reporter: good morning, chris. we're wait to go hear whether the court will take either of these two cases. the defense of marriage act passed in 1996 by congress, signed into law by president clinton. and what it says is that for federal law purposes, marriage can exist only between a man and a woman. so that means this in the nine states where same sex marriage is legal, if a same sex couple gets married there, they're considered mayrried for state lw but not federal law and the practical consequence is they are denied about 1,000 federal benefits, tax benefits, survivors benefits, to be covered under health insurance. that sort of thing. it will have to decide whether that law is un
here by the u.s. government and i feel like i've been dumped here and forgotten. made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. >>> house republicans say they have a laundry list of problems with the president's opening bid and budget talks to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. utah congressman jason chafe fits joins me now. the president was campaigning today in campaign mode certainly and basically what the democrats and the white house are saying is this is what the american people voted for. all of the exit polls show that there is strong support, more than 60% of the voters, support tax increases for the wealthy. so how do you counter that? >> well, the president also said he was for a balanced ap
further $200 billion by changing the way government calculates the levels for social security and medicare. humbug, indeed. that's the christmas message from speaker boehner. "hardball" with chris matthews is next. >>> in the belly of the beast. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris mam ewes in washington. let me start tonight with some grave robbing. we're going gown to the dark, cold tomb of the late romney campaign. we're going to excavate the murky truths that were the living heart and mind of the defeated republican effort. going to exhume tonight the guts of the thinking that went on and went so wrong. tonight, we get what we only guessed at, the results of which played out in the numbers of election night. the nasty, anti-immigrant politics, the attitude toward that 47%, the failure to turn out the white male vote, the reason romney picked ryan and the wild prelude to the clipt eastwood performance. tonight on "hardball," the dark arona of what lies now beneath the dirt so we can understand what it looks like, to think and feel your way into a historic
this before. >> some republicans believe that will give them more leverage. >> it's government at the brink all the time. >> these guys are not serious about negotiating.ç >> the next 72 hours are critical. >> i think we're going over the cliff. >> let's just go over the [ bleep ] cliff. >> let's go over the cliff. >> at least for a few seconds it will feel like we're flying. >> with 26 days to go until america goes off the fiscal curb, the house of representatives chose to end their congressional business for the week today to enjoy a long weekend at home, but john boehner stayed behind and spoke by phone this afternoon to president obama. it was their first conversation in a week. also, this afternoon treasury secretary tim geithner said this on cnbc. >> when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy, those making more than $250,000, if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2%. >> "the new york times" reports that senior repu
are in congress, you will reign in spending and reform government, not raise taxes. >> they are just going right back at one another aren't they, boom, boom. these are republicans, all of the sudden just at each other's throats. republican congressman, peter king, responded. >> the fact he brought my wife into it. i don't think he has ever met me, certainly never met my wife. he better hope he doesn't. she will knock his head off. >> king also explained why norquist is wrong on substance. >> i did sign a pledge back in 1996, during the whole conflict with the clinton administration over the government shutdown. i was totally opposed to any tax increases at that time. but to say that a pledge on an issue like taxes would last for a lifetime is ridiculous. ronald reagan raised taxes a number of times because that's what he had to do to close the deal. >> when norquist started his anti-tax pledge, the deficit was $220 billion. now, it tops $1 trillion. this is a turning point for the gop or at least it could be. the other thing you need to know about is the money trail. in 2010, 66% of funding for
the immediate impact from the government coming back and spending wouldn't be that great. the question then is how do businesses and consumers react? i don't think it will be a pretty sight. >> what about the debt ceiling? there was a suggestion? geithner's opening bid that they do a permanent fix and give the president the operative control over whether or not the debt ceiling is raised. there's a lot of confusion out there about what the debt ceiling really is. opponents to this tend to argue this will increase government spending when you and i know it's just to raise the limit for what congress has already appropriated to be spent. >> in a perfect world a debt ceiling is a stupid way to run a railroad. congress should appropriate what it wants to appropriate. the white house and the executive branches should go ahead and spend it and that's the way you should run it. we're not in a perfect world and we have the debt ceiling. i don't see any possibility that the republicans are going to permanently give up the right to weigh in on the debt ceiling from time to time. on the other han
the size of government. and i welcome that. he's choosing to do it outside now rather than inside the senate but he's had a huge, positive influence on the senate and we're going to continue to see that for years to come. >> senator, this may seem like a simple question, but i wonder, and a lot of people do is the senate from your perspective, is the senate a difficult place to be if you are someone who comes from executive background or someone committed to getting things done? is it a frustrating place to exist, day in and day out? >> i would say to you, i saw the article that you wrote earlier today, governors do -- who are used to having their own planes and flying around their states and controlling their own schedules do find it more challenging in the senate. i came from the state senate in wyoming. i enjoyed the opportunity to work with people on both side of the aisle to discuss the issues and continue to try to move proposals forward that i believe in about. i believe this is a place where you can make an effective difference in the direction of the country. >> now, let'
. but sounding off, chanting anti-government and anti-president slogans. they've left that area, but the opposition still out here protesting against the president in tahrir square. >> we'll keep a close eye on that situation. i'm brooke baldwin in atlanta. thanks for being with me. let's go to wolf blitzer. "the situation room" begins right now. >>> happening now, president obama says we're out of time for anything but a down payment for solving the nation's spending crisis. >>> amid fears, the government may resort to chemical weapons, nato says yes to turkey to giving them patriot missiles. we'll talk to the former british prime minister, tony blair. >>> as they await a new heir to the throne, the british consider changing the rules about who can become king or queen. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin with president obama's latest ideas for getting past the standoff with house republicans. he now says there isn't enough time left to do a comprehensive deal, including tax reform, fixing medicare. so he wants congress to raise tax rates for the weal
governed in a far more moderate way than he talked before he became a politician. and i think particularly in the last four years something happened to conservatism and the republican party. my friends, tom man and norm stein got a lot of attention for their book. it's worse than what it looks. the republicans have become more radical and more determined to roll back not only parts of the new deal but parts of the great society. i don't think john boehner himself is that far to the right but he's got to worry about this caucus of his that i think does contain a lot of people who fit into that radical category and it's created a real problem for our politics, particularly in the last two years. >> and they also don't seem to really deal with facts because when you really dig down into it, the average tax rates for income 50 to $75,000, taxes were actually higher under reagan. in 2009, it was 27%. in '81 under reagan, it was 31%. so they are really selling a myth. they made reagan this great hero but when you actually watch, using your term how reagan governed, it is not exactly -- well, it'
now on cutting government spinding, but when you ask them to identify exactly what you want to cut, you get mishmash from them. you get $100 billion in medicare savings by increasing the retirement age from 65 to 67. you get some unspecified savings from reducing social security. the only specifics if you add them up are about $300 billion or $400 billion in specific cuts, the rest are inspecific. this is the party whose fundamental premise is to cut government spending. you ask them to identify how they want to do it, and they start speaking in gibberish. it shows you this is a phony, phony movement on the part of conservatives to cut government spending. >> absolutely. ari, the president took a question on twitter this afternoon. quote, what is your opposition to taking away deductions for the 2% rather than upping the rate? seems like a reasonable compromise. his answer, not enough revenue unless you end charitable deductions. he's right, isn't he? the math doesn't add up. it didn't add up with mitt romney. it doesn't add up today. >> it doesn't add up, and those targeted revenu
question is whether they do so before or after the government goes over the so-called fiscal cliff. "new york times" columnist david brooks describes it this way. republicans will be raising middle class taxes in order to serve the rich. shafting sam's club to benefit the country club. if republicans do this, they might as well get mitt romney's 47% comments printed on t-shirts and wear them for the rest of their lives. so republicans have to realize they're going to have to cave on tax rates. the only question is what they get in return. michael steele is former chair of the republican national committee and an msnbc political analyst, and steve mcmahon's a democratic strategist. michael, you're on the republican side, and what do you think of that? the argument made by brooks which is more sophisticated. make your deal now while you can get something for it because after january 1st you will just be saving your rear end. >> i think he's absolutely right. i think part of that deal should include giving the president what everybody in this town agrees on, and that is those middle tax cut
are a year later after we've been through this fiasco already. we've been through the threat of a government shutdown. everybody's known this time was coming. i understand negotiating. i understand taking a hard line. i just wonder, with america and the world, business leaders here, business leaders around the world, the markets, everybody else looking so closely at this, was it necessary for the president to be so provocative with something that, you know, even "the new york times" said was, quote, loaded with democratic priorities, and really gave republicans nothing. >> again, it's a curious offer. i would imagine there has -- tim geithner's too smart of a guy, and this administration is filled with smart people. they must have a serious strategic plan. but if you were a pedestrian watching this, if the ceo of a company that's not been into the white house, a medium-size to small company, it has to be a source for alarm this morning that maybe they're not nearly as close to a deal as we thought. let alone if you're a ceo if you've been in the office with the president and you've laid out
of our investigation which is what did our government know and what could it have done before the terrorist attack to protect the lives of the americans who were there. >> don't forget something here. this is not susan rice's first political rodeo. he didn't suddenly appear from team obama land in 2008. she has a lot of friends in this town, very experienced in washington. while this hasn't been the best week for her, it appears she can survive the confirmation process. the person who may have had a worst week than her is cia acting director mike morrell. he could end up the real political loser in all this. his confirmation hearing could be the one that is the true proxy fight on all this if he ends up the president's choice to head up the cia which a lot of people say, frankly, he may be. >>> there's another big story out there around the world that will have some political and other ramifications. palestinians go to the united nations today in an attempt to upgrade their status in the eyes of the global community. the u.s. says it won't help its bid to establish a palestini
of dubious, congress on the brink of being branded as the least productive governing body to oversee our country since the 1940s. the last time congress earned that kind of rep, the 104th congress. that was 1995-1996. they passed 333 bills into law, with just weeks to go, the 112th congress has passed only 196 bills into law. many of those bills ceremonial. so in order to beat the 104th, the 112th congress has to pass 138 more bills. it's a lot of numbers. that's why we put them on the screen there. they also have to help us avoid the fiscal cliff. as if that was not bad enough, according to a recent gallup poll, only 18% of americans say they approve of the job that lawmakers are doing on capitol hill. and does the republican party's hope for 2016 lie deep in the heart of texas? that's the buzz about state senator-elect ted cruz, who says the gop needs to be more articulate in its message and rebrand itself under a banner he calls, quote, and remember these words. you'll hear them again, "opportunity conservatism." opportunity conservatism. even though his second inauguration is weeks a
debt by a single penny, and he continues with this line, big government is the cause of our debt crisis. sir, big government, what about the two big long wars and the big bush tax cuts as being responsible for the in accordance debt? did they have no part to play? >> well, there's no question about that, but the truth of the matter is you start your slashing of government in matter what part, laying off people, throwing them into the unemployment marment, making certain we have no disposable income, can't pay for mortgages, can't pay rent, can't pay for food and services, what happens to the small businessman that's already catching hell in the community? in other words, unless people get together and have some protection for the vulnerable and to make certain that those in the top 2% pay their fair share, and the truth of the matter is that i meet some of these people on the train coming back and forth from washington to new york, and they are saying that no one represents them in terms of protecting them against an increase in the taxes. these taxes haven't been changed since 1950. ma
, it is no answer to express compassion for them or create more government programs that offer promise and don't perform . we must come together and advance new strategies. our complicated and uncertain tax code is hindering the jobs. you can't open a business if your tax rate is too high or uncertain. i personally oppose the president's plan to raise taxes. [applause] listen, this is not about a pledge. it is not about protecting millionaires and billionaires. for me it is the fact that tax increases he wants would fail to make a small dent in the debt but it would hurt the middle class business and people who work for them. >> gretchen: this is what the campaign was about . people are sick i and tired of hearing the same talking points . people want to see actual tax reform. get the job done and the kick the can down the road is what we have done for the last four years. will president obama be a different president now he's reelected and will he be concerned about his legacy and take hold and lead discussions on the bigger issues. it upon didn't seem like it is happening in this interview.
. it appears to be fueling an already volatile situation between the opposition and the new government in egypt. steve harrigan is streaming live from cairo. >> reporter: this attempt by the government to push through a draft constitution in one day's time was an effort to stem the process it appears to have backfired. we are seeing greater numbers of opposition protestors out on the street today, they seem to be energized by this move by the government. already sharp criticism of this new draft constitution, criticism that it fails to protect the rights of women, also concerns about the role of islamic law in this new constitution. the next step is for a referendum. president morsi has 30 days to put it to a vote across the nation. he has said when the constitution is ratified he will give up the extraordinarys he assumed last week. it was that move by the president that really kicked off these processes. we have large crowds now of anti-more se anti-moris demonstrators and tphopl we will probably see large crowds of pro-mori demonstrators. back to you. jenna: steve harrigan with the sounds of
federal government but possibly much leaner household budgets as well. more than 2 million americans may lose their unemployment benefits. the average american household could see a tax increase of about $3500 and child nutrition programs could lose more than 500 million in funding. democrats may benefit politically if we go off the cliff. can ordinary americans afford the cost of this round of negotiations? dan, what is the case for nothing, for just going off the cliff? >> a great case for nothing. at a station where i contribute, they are absolutely apaplectic about the economic impact. i'm not sure there is going to be an enormous imfact. i follow markets. the stock market hasn't reacted at all even despite the fact that we are going to go over the cliff. if they get a deal, it will be the most superficial can kick. yet, the markets are pretty strong. economic people seem to think we are going to go over the cliff. maybe it is not as bad as people think. let me tell you some things that are going to happen. $600 billion in military spending cuts. even the democrats don't want to touc
the constitution has authority over spending in the united states' system of government. they are very possessive of that power they have. the president basically saying, we want to have that power over here. we want the debt ceiling to be under the control of the president of the united states. that's something that's not going to fly, was extremely unpopular on capitol hill. part of why you have to read that offer of the president, as just that, an offer. there's going to be horse trading throughout the month, and the question is whether they can come up with this deal by december 31st or all of that automatic spending decrease stuff goes into effect and economists say that can be devastating for the economy in early january. >> thank you so much, sir, do appreciate you. >> thanks. >>> closely tied over taxes is entitlement reform. a top republican said today he'll drop his plan for higher revenue unless democrats take a look at revamping medicare, medicaid, and social security. >> i'm serious about revenue. you can limit deductions to $40,000 or $50,000 a person, which takes care of the middle
talk politics back in the day? >> once in a while. once in a while. i've always been a small government guy, and that's why i just think that the private sector and society can take care of itself better than the government can. >> do they get heated? rewhat pearlman? did they get heated? >> they would say things like, this is actually on fairs children when they were having the recall on the governorship, somebody said maybe kelsy is going to run. i said i hope he does declare he's going to run because i'm going to contribute a million dollars tomorrow to defeat him. >> who said that. >> one of the producers of the show. >> you were outnumbered. >> i'm always downnumberred. >> coming up, dennis leery and john lovitz unleashed. >> i believe in a strong military. >> later, ted koppel and i go head-to-head over the popularity of the fox news channel. >> tonight, actors rob lowe, kevin spacey have become outspoken in the world of politics. we sat down recently with them. >> you say that hollywood is a one-party town, liberal democrat town. is there a reason for that? >> i think that -- i d
to the federal government without raising tax rates. >> the white house says they are not counteroffering until the gop publicly, fully budges on tax rates. for the second day in a row speaking to ceos of the business round table the president floated the possibility of a compromise that sets the top rate lower than 39.6%. >> we've seen some movement over the last several days among some republicans. i think there is a recognition that maybe they can accept some rate increases as long as it's combined with serious entitlement reform and additional spending cuts. >> "the washington post" reports today that republican centrists and even some conservatives are calling on boehner to concede on rates now while he still has some leverage to demand something in return. the post also has an interesting nugget from a guy at the helm of the tax writing, house ways and means committee. dave camp said this to "the post." quote, he was reluctant to draft such a plan to compromise on a tax rate above 35% but below 39.2% unless the white house agreed to a tax revenue target well below the $1.6 trillion obama
is a bloated federal government. a bloated federal government that wants to spend too much to help the poor. >> government's approach has been to expand bureaucracy and spend lots of money on bloated top-down anti-poverty programs. we're trying to measure compassion by how much we spend not by how many people we help. >> the takeaway, we care. we care about the same things we always cared about -- cutting taxes and slashing the government. in "the daily beast" calling this attempt at rebranding, if you will, gaseous rhetoric. saying until these guys actually embrace some amount of policy change, it's same old, same old. >> you know i think rubio at least his suits fit better than paul ryan's suits do. watching them, on the one hand it's cool watching them being -- trying to be progressive. but it's -- these suits are ill-fitting these compassion -- sudden compassion for the poor. it's a little bit like listening to bloomberg speak spanish. >> nice try but awkward. >> i'm happy to hear paul ryan talking about the poor and i hope this is a trend in the republican party. >> i don't know -- if
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, these tea party people. >> it doesn't matter. they're against taxes because they think it fuels government and they're against government. they're against compromise -- they're particularly compromised with this particular president for a whole host of reasons. we have the same dynamic. we had back in 2011 when john boehner, i think, left to his own devices would cut a deal with the president in five minutes. >> let's stop for a second. i think they're darn serious. who knows what the world's going to react to this. we don't know. we don't know. forget the market. the world economy doesn't know. my question is this. would the republican party like to go over the cliff hanging onto that 2% rich people and say that's why they did it? can they live with themselves if they do it? >> they have -- in some ways the politics for boehner becomes easier. i don't like to call it a cliff. after they go down the slope. >> why? >> because if nothing happens between now and the oerchd the year, all the tax cuts, puff, they disappear. you come back the first week in january and you pass a bill and then th
cafes in u.s., mexico and canada. >>> a new government commission report finds that exporting the nation's new found surplus of natural gas would do the nation good citing the overall economic boost would outweigh higher domestic prices. >>> and economics team at virginia's lynchburg college crunched the numbers and found if the nation goes over the fiscal cliff, high income californians would beat out new yorkers and hawaiians for the potential highest tax rate at nearly 52%. >>> forbes is out with the 2012 most powerful people list. president obama held on to the top spot for a second year. the pope climbed two notches from last year. he is in fifth place. facebook's ceo mark zuckerburg went to number 25. former president clinton held on to number 50. and tonight be sure to watch brian williams sit down with tim cook. by the way, he's number 35 on the forbes list. >> finally, no, this is no joke. pizza hut in canada sent more than 100 bottles of pizza cented perfume to facebook fans. the fragrance boasts freshly baked hand tossed dough. >>> some optimistic news in the fight against bre
, bill. i say let's get out the government grilled cheese. let's go live in our cardboard boxes and go over the cliff. i am so sick of these spoiled rich people! they're a bunch of spoiled rotten babies! i'm cooking up the government grilled cheese. we're going over the cliff! >> buckle up, here we go! >> bill: buckle up, here we go. i'm with you joey. that's the best strategy. sometimes, as i said to the president last night on your behalf hold the line! hang tough! stick to your principles. this time we got them! two years ago, it was a different scenario. two years ago i wish he hadn't done it but i understand why. the president felt that he had to cave in. not this time! mr. president, as i told him last night hold the line! when we come back, karl rove and dick morris, are you going to miss them? michael calderone from "huffington post" will tell us what that's all about. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." the world that leave no shortage for exciting conversations. i want our viewer to understan
to ideas that could make the federal government work better which is a passion of the president's which he's requested reorganization authority from the congress do just that. >> translation, mitt romney may oversee the installation of a new color coded filing system in the white house. thanks for play, governor. and anyway, charm offenses aside the president knows that his real audience is with the american people. according to most recent "the washington post"/abc news poll 60% support his position on taxes while only 37% oppose it. and when you're up 23 points with the public, maybe out in public is the place to be. glenn, before we focus on the turkey sandwiches that will bring the party together, the two parties together later this hour, i want to talk about what is going on actually with the fiscal cliff. or the fiscal curve or molehill, depending how you characterize this thing. seem likes we're going to hear bad news, bad news, bad news until we hear good news which is to say everybody's in their corners but it sounds like, according to your libelist publication, there may be -- >>
government and $3.5 trillion that we're spending. so, we're going to need a balanced approach of both revenue and spending cuts to teat there. so, that's what the president has been talking about and certainly something i can support. >> "the wall street journal" today senior administration officials say the white house not making any new offers until republicans change their opposition to raising top tax rates in this country. as a businessman, that would be directly affected by an impasse like that, as would millions of americans. how do you feel about that? >> how i feel, i'm 100% confident we'll resolve the fiscal cliff pretty much a day or two before christmas. what is happening now the public posturing that has to happen in a negotiation so that each side can make their base happy as people move to the middle. once they get behind closed doors and recognize that they have enough good ideas on the table, they'll pick the best ones of those and meet somewhere in the middle to get us somewhere between where the president started and where the republicans would like to end up. i think that'
. they have competing governments in the west bank and gaza. what's ahead for palestinians and israelis now? let's bring in nbc correspondent martin fletcher who has covered this region longer than any other journalist in the world. just after the u.n. vote, israel and jewish settlements in the west bank and jerusalem. what does that say about israel's intentions moving forward? >> well, nothing very good, i guess. the reason they did that is that they were very, very angry that the united nations general assembly approved of the palestinians as an observer, nonvoting state. and israel's response was to say that that was a way of getting around, getting out of the peace process. preempting with the negotiations. israel said there was a great pressure on the israeli government to respond in some way. and what they did was come up with this way of saying, we'll build 3,000 more homes on the land that will be, that the palestinians claim is theirs and it will be the subject of future peace negotiations, if they take place. so, israel said you do to the united nations what we do here on the dis
a small government guy. that's why i think that the private sector and society can take care of itself better than government can. >> did they get heated? rhea pearlman another left wing woman. did they get heated? >> they would say this is actually a phrase that they -- if he runs -- remember they were having the recall. somebody said maybe kelsey is going to run. he says i hope he does run i am going to pay a million dollars to defeat them. >> who said that? >> one of the producers of the show. >> you were out numbered? >> i am always out numbered. >> coming up comedians denis leary and john lovitts unleash. >> i believe in strong military and helping those below you. >> later ted kopple and i go head to head over the topic of the popularity of the fox news channel coming right back. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- you can stay in and share something... or you can get out there and actually share something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on. this is the pursuit of perfection. but i still have a runny nose. [ male announcer ] dayquil doesn't treat that
back. govern governor mitt romney is platting his next move. he's considering a return to business maybe something involving charity or the mormon church. he's even thinking about writing a book. one thing he's not interested in ackorcording to the post-is helg the republican party rebuild its brand. the governor is in semiseclusion. there's images of him pumping his own gas. some saying he looks more relaxed. there was the public lunch at the white house with the president. there's the image of him pumping his own gas. how does this compare to the revelation that his wife had thanksgiving dinner from boston market. very american of them nonetheless sources say he's bored in southern california, the post writing devours news from 2,600 miles away in washington about the fiscal cliff negotiations shaking his head about what if. what is the future for mitt romney within the republican party, if any? >> well it doesn't appear that there's going to be a whole lot of one by his own choice. my colleague did an exhaustive look at what he's been doing. what he's not doing is involving hims
's your business. >> what does the federal government do? >> the federal government considered pot the same as lsd and heroin. >> same classification of drug. >> heroin. i didn't even know heroin still existed. apparently it still does. and pot does, too. the difference is you can grow heroin in your backyard. you can grow it -- >> grow marijuana you mean. >> i'm sorry, grow marijuana in your backyard. >> i don't know that much about heroin but i don't think that's how it works. >> he wants to grow marijuana. okay. >> let me be clear, i didn't make that mistake because i have been smoking anything, i have not, no. it's farcical. this is a generation al issue and the obama administration is going to have to gibe at some point on its theory of law. i think a couple days the u.s. attorney in washington said the federal law trumps what you guys are going. people are going to say no, enough. and the obama administration just started ramping up prosecutions of this. this is unusual for me. >> yeah. do you agree, goldie? >> i do, except heroin is making a comeback and that's really unfort
from either the newspaper size or the government. let's take a listen to david cameron. >> the issue of principle is for the first time we would right elements of press regulation into the law of the land. we should be weary of any legislation that has to potential to infringe free speech and free press. >> now they love david cameron because he's taking a stand against tighter regulation. >> not all of them do. some of the serious press are fairly supportive of the findings and they say even the backed regulation is pretty reasonable. it allows victims to get a redress without having to go to a liable lawyer. >> what's your take? do you think stricter regulation is needed? >> i think you have to worry about infringement on freedom ch when you get any regulation. that makes me feel uncomfortable. i think this legislation looks at the old guard. it's very restricted to the press. i'm not sure how effective it will be as we go forward in the internet world. maybe it's false of the past and we're hopefully going to see a very different future maybe without the intervention of government
about the fact that in theory americans like small government. but in practice when you start talking about popular programs, they get very, very snippy about you threatening to cut anything. so what we have here is a situation where they've taken -- the republicans have taken away the presidential talking point of, well, republicans don't have a plan. but they have not taken away the talking point of, well, republicans want to cut all this so that they can keep tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. and until they address that issue, i think from a perform r standpoint this could remain politically disastrous for them. >> now, ezra, they keep talking, they being the republicans, like this was a status quo election. but you wrote today that they are in a weaker position this time around and know it. you wrote, boehner opens his latest letter by reminding the president that 2012 was a status quo election in which both you and the republican in the minority in the house were re-elected. that's technically true and in every other way incorrect. the fact is that 2012 was a democratic rall
. these are guys who went to congress not to limit government but to stop it. so what are you going to do? we've got five democrats, five republicans who range from dick durbin of illinois, great progressive democrat, and coburn of oklahoma, a progressive conservative, and five dems, five republicans, one independent, that's a super majority. and for god's sake, the reason we were so successful is we effectively pissed off everybody in america. >> congratulations, sir. kudos. kudos to you. >> good morning. it's thursday, december 6th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, msnbc political analyst, former democratic congressman, harold ford jr. >> mr. professor. >> good morning. >> professor. >> and we have former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, steve rattner. >> financier. >> rattner is here. i like -- and we have to go back to that. it's the truth. >> it is! >> money is money. >> in washington, msnbc and "time" senior political analyst, mark halperin. >> we saw him on the streets of d.c. yesterday, and he was very cagey. >> the mean streets of d.c. >> yes. he was so
coming up. >> it will come up. >> great to see you. thank you. >>> coming up next, what a new government report is finding about closing gitmo and what would happen to the 166 detainees that are currently being held there. where would they go? >>> plus, the election may be over, but president obama's lead over mitt romney keeps growing as the final numbers continue to come in. it's just one of the things we thought you should know. ♪ if it wasn't for you ♪ don't know what i'd do ♪ i'd have nothing to prove [ male announcer ] introducing the celebration diamond collection. zales is the diamond store. let love shine. now's a good time to think about your options. are you looking for a plan that really meets your needs? and your budget? as you probably know, medicare only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, they pick up some of what medicare doesn't pay. and could save you in out-of-pocket medical c
the curb. but as responsible men of government, they can't look like they want to. so -- >> here's the deal. >> i make the argument that going off as you call it, the curb, i call it the slope, the press calls it the cliff, is actually the best deal progressive democrats are going to get. and here's why. one, we get the clinton tax rates on everybody. will it cause a problem? yes. there will be a short recession and it will be painful. but two, we get defense cuts. republicans are never going to agree to that. and three, there are some human services cuts which we're not going to like, but it's the least possible damage. now what do we get in exchange? a serious down payment of the deficit. the wall street people who are wringing their hands about this are really full of it. because what they're going to see is a big drop on wall street while the hype comes and then it's going to come roaring back because finally somebody has done something serious about the deficit. so i think the fiscal curb as you call it is actually the best deal that progressive democrats are going to get and i think i
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